royco Wrote:
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> @ Noobman - it is open source, but I do need to
> spend time cleaning up the schematic/PCB files so
> it can be easily understood and actually posting
> it. I do send them out when someone asks for it in
> its current messed up state. I will update the web
> page to include those files( and wiki page too).
> The Azteeg X1 files were posted pretty quickly
> since thats the only project I have going a that
> time. Thanks.
Ok, i can relate to that because i take a lot of time to do anything, and i'm like always late for ... anything. And i dont want to be combative or anything like that, im only trying to be realistic. Its been ~1 year since your last change to wiki page and still no source, so past any delays, to say its overdue is understatement. And this situation can be only one way or the other, cant "sit on the line", its not a "shades of grey" problem. Its black and white, it can be open or otherwise its closed. Its open if the sources are available for download, else its closed. Sources doesnt have to be clean or anything like that. Doesnt matter its quality, all that is beyond the point. Sources just has to be there for download, thats all. Atm is closed untill you post the sources, e.g. make them "open" for download.
I can ask in emails for sources files of sort of any evaluation boards, like from ti, or maxim, and kinda any major companies may provide such, if asked nicely, simply because they are "pushing" the associated products. But this "upon request" doesnt make them "open source", since a "private" exchange of files. Not public, therefore not "open".
I dunno if its the case, but i can make another suggestion if i am allowed to. If you dont want to provide the specific source files, at least export the files into another program like geda, kicad, expresspcb or something alike, and publish that version. The open ones have formats that can be seen and checked entirely with just a text editor - that is if you want to check their content you can do that letter by letter. You can even say openly "we have sources in some other program but decided to export and make them available in this other format". Thats ok. Even if its said its not *the* source, at least its something that can be taken as such, provided some eventual exports mishaps get fixed and it compares well enough with the board in hand. When modding/hacking or asking questions, such files are golden. Its still something. It can be worked with. A user can ask a question attaching those files. Or most perhaps wouldnt needed to ask this question if he opened such files himself. He could of easily highlight and see any digital trace from uC to the connectors, and that might of been enlightening enough.
I understand what i am saying are probably not the words you want to hear, but what do you expect me to say to OP, should i say "yes from the picture that *looks like* its a digital line"? and you "lets *pray* it doesnt have some other components linked to it for some other purpose". Under the circumstance i tried to give my best advice which is "check for sources first, coz we dont get to know whats *really* there without them". Well, thats me, its only my opinion ofc and nothing more, may it be good or bad, nothing is absolute, an opinion even less so. Cheers.
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> @ Noobman - it is open source, but I do need to
> spend time cleaning up the schematic/PCB files so
> it can be easily understood and actually posting
> it. I do send them out when someone asks for it in
> its current messed up state. I will update the web
> page to include those files( and wiki page too).
> The Azteeg X1 files were posted pretty quickly
> since thats the only project I have going a that
> time. Thanks.
Ok, i can relate to that because i take a lot of time to do anything, and i'm like always late for ... anything. And i dont want to be combative or anything like that, im only trying to be realistic. Its been ~1 year since your last change to wiki page and still no source, so past any delays, to say its overdue is understatement. And this situation can be only one way or the other, cant "sit on the line", its not a "shades of grey" problem. Its black and white, it can be open or otherwise its closed. Its open if the sources are available for download, else its closed. Sources doesnt have to be clean or anything like that. Doesnt matter its quality, all that is beyond the point. Sources just has to be there for download, thats all. Atm is closed untill you post the sources, e.g. make them "open" for download.
I can ask in emails for sources files of sort of any evaluation boards, like from ti, or maxim, and kinda any major companies may provide such, if asked nicely, simply because they are "pushing" the associated products. But this "upon request" doesnt make them "open source", since a "private" exchange of files. Not public, therefore not "open".
I dunno if its the case, but i can make another suggestion if i am allowed to. If you dont want to provide the specific source files, at least export the files into another program like geda, kicad, expresspcb or something alike, and publish that version. The open ones have formats that can be seen and checked entirely with just a text editor - that is if you want to check their content you can do that letter by letter. You can even say openly "we have sources in some other program but decided to export and make them available in this other format". Thats ok. Even if its said its not *the* source, at least its something that can be taken as such, provided some eventual exports mishaps get fixed and it compares well enough with the board in hand. When modding/hacking or asking questions, such files are golden. Its still something. It can be worked with. A user can ask a question attaching those files. Or most perhaps wouldnt needed to ask this question if he opened such files himself. He could of easily highlight and see any digital trace from uC to the connectors, and that might of been enlightening enough.
I understand what i am saying are probably not the words you want to hear, but what do you expect me to say to OP, should i say "yes from the picture that *looks like* its a digital line"? and you "lets *pray* it doesnt have some other components linked to it for some other purpose". Under the circumstance i tried to give my best advice which is "check for sources first, coz we dont get to know whats *really* there without them". Well, thats me, its only my opinion ofc and nothing more, may it be good or bad, nothing is absolute, an opinion even less so. Cheers.